Art of War 6.21
The Art of War (孫子兵法), Weak Points And Strong 虛實篇
以吾度之越人之兵雖多亦奚益於勝敗哉故曰勝可爲也
Though according to my estimate the soldiers of Yüeh exceed our own in number, that shall advantage them nothing in the matter of victory.
I say then that victory can be achieved.
Lionel Giles's notes
Capt. Calthrop omits 以吾度之, and his translation of the remainder is flabby and inaccurate. As Sun Tzŭ was in the service of the 吳 Wu State, it has been proposed to read 吳 instead of 吾 — a wholly unnecessary tampering with the text. Yüeh coincided roughly with the present province of Chehkiang. Li Ch‘üan very strangely takes 越 not as the proper name, but in the sense of 過 “to surpass.” No other commentator follows him. 勝敗 belongs to the class of expressions like 遠近 “distance,” 大小 “magnitude,” etc., to which the Chinese have to resort in order to express abstract ideas of degree. The T‘u Shu, however, omits 敗.
Alas for these brave words! The long feud between the two states ended in 473 B.C. with the total defeat of Wu by 勾踐 Kou Chien and its incorporation in Yüeh. This was doubtless long after Sun Tzŭ’s death. With his present assertion compare IV. § 4: 勝可知而不可爲 (which is the obviously mistaken reading of the Yü Lan here). Chang Yü is the only one to point out the seeming discrepancy, which he thus goes on to explain: “In the chapter on Tactical Dispositions it is said, ‘One may know how to conquer without being able to do it,’ whereas here we have the statement that ‘victory can be achieved.’ The explanation is, that in the former chapter, where the offensive and defensive are under discussion, is said that if the enemy is fully prepared, one cannot make certain of beating him. But the present passage refers particularly to the soldiers of Yüeh who, according to Sun Tzŭ’s calculations, will be kept in ignorance of the time and place of the impending struggle. That is why he says here that victory can be achieved.”
Character glossary
- 以yǐaccording to; so as to; because of; then
- 吾wúI, my, our; to resist, to impede
- 度dùdegree, system; manner; to consider
- 之zhīmarks preceding phrase as modifier of fo
- 越yuèto exceed, to surpass, to transcend
- 人rénman, person; people
- 兵bīngsoldier; troops, an army; warlike
- 雖suīalthough, even though
- 多duōmuch, many, multi-; more than, over
- 亦yìalso, too; likewise
- 奚xīwhere, what, why, how
- 益yìto profit, to benefit; advantage
- 於yúat, in, on; to, from; alas!
- 勝shèngvictory; to excel, to truimph
- 敗bàifailure; to decline, to fail, to suffer
- 哉zāifinal exclamatory particle
- 故gùreason, cause; happening, instance
- 曰yuēto speak; to say
- 可kěmay, can, -able; possibly
- 爲wèido, handle, govern, act; be
- 也yěalso, too
Passages with shared wording
- Analects 13.5
- Art of War 4.4
- Zhuangzi Hsü Wu Kuei
- Mencius 1A.7
- Zhuangzi The Identity of Contraries
- Art of War 4.17
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